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	<title>Emmanuel on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just read your message,</p>
<p>As far as I know from ciao.fr, Bonnat processed only one batch of Porcelana, since it seems it was made from 700kg beans of the 1000kg worldwide (???) crop of Porcelana in the region of lago Maraicaïbo. Read the full story by Parenthese - one of the most chocoholic on Ciao -you can find the full story at <a href="http://www.ciao.fr/Bonnat_Porcelana_75__Avis_1065704" rel="nofollow">http://www.ciao.fr/Bonnat_Porcelana_75__Avis_1065704</a><br />
(sorry, in French)<br />
Anyway, she met Stéphane Bonnat and his wife themselves at the French Chocolate Show on 19oct 2007, then I think the info is reliable. BUT by now, I'd say nothing's left up from this small miracle...</p>
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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by marioh</i><br />
<br />I have just found this Porcelana bar made by Bonnat. Does anyone know anything about it? Does Bonnat make it regularly now? Can it be bought somewhere else? Anything? The problem is, that you can’t always trust what Manufactum is telling you…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.manufactum.de/group/189558/product/1413824/Produktdetail.1773.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.manufactum.de/group/189558/product/1413824/Produktdetail.1773.0.html</a><br />
(Sorry, page is only in german)</p>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Polarbear on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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Porcelana is a difficult chocolate to review as you note because its inherent flavour *is* so neutral. The Bonnat bar isn't the only one that would make an ideal base chocolate for a blend and it's that very neutrality and even flavour that makes it such a top-quality bean. The expectation oftentimes is that great varietals should explode with bold and characteristic flavours a la Chuao but that isn't the only route to greatness.</p>
<p>Alex Rast<br />
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<p>I guess we have different opinions here. IMHO, mostly "neutral" = "boring, lacks personality" = "not worth the high price".</p>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Polarbear on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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<p>Bonnat has a tendency to roast on the darker side, that much is agreed, but in the case of Porcelana the beans are excessively bitter, and the bar tastes much darker than anything else Bonnat has produced. It just seems like an unnatural entry under their banner, even forced a bit just to make the most out of sub par beans. </p>
<p>Perhaps Porcelana's limited flavor contributes to this, and if so why roast so long even if stylistic preference dictates such actions? </p>
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<p>IMHO, this bar is less dark than other Bonnat bars, and the Bonnat "coffee-spicyness" is less pronounced, but still clearly present. But I agree that it is somewhat foolish to let your stylish preferences dictate chocolate taste, especially of high-quality beans. After all, what's then the point of using varieties if you force them to taste nearly the same?</p>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Hans-Peter Rot on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote id="quote"><p><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial,  Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<br />
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Polarbear</i><br />
<br />I took a look at the reviews. While I do not care much about texture, taste is supreme here, I think that the over-roasting is probably not necessarily a result of bad beans, but of Bonnat's dark roasting style, which has a tendency to make tender beans taste very much the same, regardless off origin. This is an issue with all makers; Domori is cheasy, Amedei tastes raisins and Valrhona is acidic. In general, however, I think Valrhona is best at preserving differences between beans.</p>
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<p>Bonnat has a tendency to roast on the darker side, that much is agreed, but in the case of Porcelana the beans are excessively bitter, and the bar tastes much darker than anything else Bonnat has produced. It just seems like an unnatural entry under their banner, even forced a bit just to make the most out of sub par beans. </p>
<p>Perhaps Porcelana's limited flavor contributes to this, and if so why roast so long even if stylistic preference dictates such actions? Any over-roasting will seem like overkill (even in Amedei's version you can sense that), but as I mentioned before the bitterness and the muffled flavor are turnoffs, and furthermore anomalies that a Porcelana should not possess. This, to me, suggests that the maker is hiding something, i.e. poor bean quality, since this is something you can clearly taste in the high bitterness level.</p>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Alex Rast on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Polarbear</i><br />
<br />...Bonnat's dark roasting style, which has a tendency to make tender beans taste very much the same, regardless off origin. This is an issue with all makers; Domori is cheasy, Amedei tastes raisins and Valrhona is acidic. In general, however, I think Valrhona is best at preserving differences between beans.</p>
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<p>My feel is that there isn't any one manufacturer who has a clear lead in preserving varietal differences, but rather different manufacturers with different style points are more or less successful with different varietal groups. I think also that inherently a manufacturer tends to select beans that will lean towards their style, because it's reasonable to assume that their style is what they think of as excellence in chocolate and thus beans with this source potential is what they'll prefer without even thinking about it. If pressed to pick a chocolatier whose varietals each seem the most uniquely different from their other varietals I suspect that would be Cluizel, but they're not necessarily "characteristic" of the varietal - even if some (Vila Gracinda in particular) clearly are. But different chocolatiers have different strengths. At the limit there is a tendency for extremely aggressive roasting to erase differences in varitals - so Pralus for example is more stylistic than varietally tuned, but even that works in some cases.</p>
<p>Porcelana is a difficult chocolate to review as you note because its inherent flavour *is* so neutral. The Bonnat bar isn't the only one that would make an ideal base chocolate for a blend and it's that very neutrality and even flavour that makes it such a top-quality bean. The expectation oftentimes is that great varietals should explode with bold and characteristic flavours a la Chuao but that isn't the only route to greatness.</p>
<p>Alex Rast<br />
<a href="mailto:Alex_Rast_Alternate@hushmail.com">Alex_Rast_Alternate@hushmail.com</a></p>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Polarbear on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>I took a look at the reviews. While I do not care much about texture, taste is supreme here, I think that the over-roasting is probably not necessarily a result of bad beans, but of Bonnat's dark roasting style, which has a tendency to make tender beans taste very much the same, regardless of origin. This is an issue with all makers; Domori is cheasy, Amedei tastes raisins and Valrhona is acidic. In general, however, I think Valrhona is best at preserving differences between beans.</p>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Polarbear on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>Just arrived and tried...the really good thing is that Bonnat has resisted the over-roasting they often do, it is very well roasted, the delicate aroma is well preserved, and a quite light brown color. But...as I have experienced with both Domori and Amedei's porcelana's, the inherent taste is so delicate it is difficult to describe, one may even say that it lacks personality. And, as with Domori and Amedei, the typical manufacturer taste, in Bonnat's case a quite distinct spicyness and hint of coffee is very prominent. In summary: Good choc, but not so special it's worth, after shipping costs, €13 per bar...</p>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Alex Rast on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bradyb</i><br />
<br />This is all very interesting.  I would like to read more posts from people who know more of the details on this bar.  Are the porcelana beans from Venezuela or Mexico (like those used in Pierre Marcolini's).  Why are they only sold on this website?  I am not familar with this website.  Alex, let's see your review on the review page!</p>
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<p>Review is written, awaiting only a good bar image. Summarising what I've written, overall I found the bar to be very well balanced and in some ways a textbook example of what one might want in a "base" chocolate for blending - something simple and chocolatey that doesn't interfere too much with other chocolates and adds no negatives. Not that there's any real chance it'll be blended with anything and it definitely stands alone without difficulty. I'd say Domori still has the overall edge but this is another worthy contender.</p>
<p>Alex Rast<br />
<a href="mailto:Alex_Rast_Alternate@hushmail.com">Alex_Rast_Alternate@hushmail.com</a></p>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Polarbear on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ChemicalMachine</i>filled with the complex flavors imparted by the soil around Lake Maracaibo.  </p>
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<p>Does this include oil fragrance? [8D] Lake Maracaibo is also Venezuela's main oil producing area.  </p>
<p>I have ordered a couple of these bars from Manufactum and waits eagerly to see if they are worth the price, and if Bonnat hasn't roasted them too much.</p>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>bradyb on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>ChemicalMachine- Thanks for the heads up.  I just placed an order with Chocosphere last week and it wasn't available. $16.95 is still a lot cheaper than most decent bottles of wine.</p>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Eshra on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>That bar is $16.95!! Wow....I am speechless:)</p>
<p>I would be interested in how many grams of sugar are in each serving.  Deducting this value from the total serving weight would allow us to find the ratio of fat...</p>
<p>Hmm...</p>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>ChemicalMachine on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>I see that this bar is now available at chocosphere.com .</p>
<p>" This rare cocoa, with an annual production of less than 1000 kg,  comes from an ancient plantation in Venezuela. Porcelana beans are unique, in that they are a translucent white color. Fragrant and well balanced, the resulting chocolate is filled with the complex flavors imparted by the soil around Lake Maracaibo.  From it's powerful fragrance to it's delicate taste, this chocolate will exceed the expectations of the most demanding chocolate connoisseur. "</p>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>alex_h on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>nope, no ratio info. the ingredients do list cocoa butter before sugar, but that only means up to 49% of the entire cocoa mass are cocoa butter, which is not far from the natural ratio of a bean.</p>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>alex_h on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>hi sean, i don't think bonnat has the ratio on the packaging, but will have a look. if i remember correctly, though, they list cocoa butter after sugar. the bar didn't seem too loaded with cocoa butter.</p>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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	<title>Eshra on Bonnat Porcelana</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>Is there any information on the packaging of that bar that indicates the breakdown of sugar:serving size ratios?  I am wondering if they overdid it on the cocoa butter...  </p>
<p>When I see that cocoa butter is listed before sugar, a lot of alarms are set off for me and I am already thinking Hachez....my nemesis.</p>
<p>Sean</p>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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