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June 1, 2004
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Lone Ly
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I agree it’s a jewel of a chocolate, but I’m not so sure if it beats all the rest. I’m rather reluctant to pronunce a winner as there are so many presumingly wonderful bars I haven’t tried yet – Domori’s Porcelana just to mention one. Enrico Rovira’s 70% plain beans were really good too – and I’ll see if I can get to my Cluizel shop tomorrow – now longing for some Los Ancones and possibly even Mangaro and Ilha Toma (if still in stock) after weeks and weeks on Amedei, Domori and Valrhona.

"Man cannot live by chocolate alone - but woman can." (Unknown)
June 2, 2004
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i agree, lone, there is no winner to declare. everyone has a different taste and everyone’s taste changes. i just thought i’d try to get the subject back to the original topic by raving a bit ;-)

<<ce qui fait du bien au palais ne fait du mal à l’âme>>

June 4, 2004
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Exactly. What one person tastes in a chocolate, someone else might not be able to. For example, I tasted a heavy hazelnut flavor in Blend No. 1, but alex’s taste buds didn’t think that flavor was so strong. Lots of people rave about Amedei’s Porcelana, but it does have some rough edges that need to be smoothed out (the clashing smokiness and fruitiness).
Lone, I have a bar of Los Ancones AND Mangaro sitting right here [:p] but I’m saving them for when I want to “treat” myself. Cluizel is also going to release a new single origin called Maralumi, from New Guinea later this year; I can’t wait for that.

June 4, 2004
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unfortunately my taste buds have been completely shot the last week or so due to hay-fever and/or a cold. i’ve been staying away from really good chocolate, so as not to ruin the experience.

yesterday a friend gave me a bar each of domori’s barrique and puertofino. can’t wait to try! my last taste of puertofino was smoothe but unexciting.

<<ce qui fait du bien au palais ne fait du mal à l’âme>>

June 4, 2004
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Monte, you seem like a Cluizel guy … I mean, I find myself attached to brands more than bars – having Amedei periods, Cluizel periods, Domori periods and so on. It is probably due to the fact that it’s difficult to get all the stuff in one place, and I’m not that much fan of internet shopping. (To easy to go bananas – or shall I say cocoa …) Even though taste is different from person to person, I’ve found that I can’t even trust my own taste from time to time. If I eat quite a lot of one brand, I like the next one even better. Domori Puertomar was at first excellent, then I liked it but wasn’t too excited about it and so on. Maybe I’m too attached to the ‘signature’ taste of the brands. Haven’t really grasped any Domori signature yet, but it’s about to come when I get the chance to taste more of their bars.

Alex, you probably don’t need this advice, but my nose get blocked if I’m without chocolate for more than three days. Not that I know for sure that chocolate unblock my nose but I wish you a speedy recovery!

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June 5, 2004
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Well, yeah I suppose I favor Cluizel over every other brand in general, but there are, of course, chocolates by different brands that I like more than Cluizel’s. I’m not that big of a fan of Cluizel’s 85% and 72% because of the sourness, but the single origin bars are excellent. I like Cluizel more because his chocolate is pretty consistent across the entire line; I pretty much know what to expect when I eat a bar (usually). I don’t like to stick to a single brand, though, but if I want quality in every bar, then I know which brand to turn to. I’m not so sure if brands have a signature flavor because although the same methods are usually used to manufacture each bar, the beans have different flavors unto themselves. For example, I tasted no similarities in all the Domori chocolate I’ve tried. All I noticed was a signature waxiness and texture that really appeals to me. However, a brand’s house blend of varying percentages might all have similar flavors because, more than likely, the same beans were used for each bar, regardless of cocoa or sugar content.

June 6, 2004
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thanks, lone. unfortunately chocolate doesn’t have the same effect on my poor nose. and i can’t recall when last i hadn’t had chocolate for that many days.

i believe i can discern signatures in some bars. blindfold me and i won’t be much help i guess, but still… hey that would be interesting! must try that!

i’ve posted this elsewhere here i think, but me the following applies:

domori is waxy as hell (i like that) and has a nuttiness and a distinct smell. can’t describe that so well…

bonnat is gritty and subtle.

amedei is tobaccoey and raisiny and has a great snap.

valrhona is smoothe and almost milky.

i think the only two i might really be able to recognize are domori and less so amedei. depends on how my nose is that day.

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June 7, 2004
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Agreed on the Domori-waxiness relation and, of course Bonnat and Valrhona. Valrhona is incredibly smooth, and so is Cluizel, but in a different sort of way since lechitin is not used; it’s less creamy but still smooth, if that makes sense.

June 7, 2004
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i find cluizel to be a bit drier and less creamy than valrhona.

<<ce qui fait du bien au palais ne fait du mal à l’âme>>

June 16, 2004
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my god! has any poetry been written yet about this chocolate? and if not, why?!

puertomar forever!

June 17, 2004
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Alex; A humble confession: I have – ahem – actually written a poem and a short novel about chocolate, but everytime I try a bar that strikes me as a miracle, I disparage the very attempts thinking: Chocolate IS poetry!

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June 17, 2004
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let’s here the poem! and read the novel! :-D

June 21, 2004
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I do appreciate your expectations, Alex, but the answer must be no. My writings work badly as Amedei&Domori-worshipping. It wouldn´t even work as a curse.

"Man cannot live by chocolate alone - but woman can." (Unknown)
June 21, 2004
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hi lone!

aw, can’t be that bad!

June 22, 2004
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Don´t tempt me to prove it!

"Man cannot live by chocolate alone - but woman can." (Unknown)
June 22, 2004
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I would like to read this poetry as well. It just might inspire me to write a couple things about chocolate [;)]

June 23, 2004
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yeah! might get me started too! :-)

June 23, 2004
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For a start we all might write our messages on rhymes from now on …

Dreadful Poets’ Chociety???

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June 24, 2004
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sounds like a name. but i would rather rhyme on the beauty of the female form than chocolate i must admit.

June 24, 2004
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Might be the same though, Alex. At least for some women; chocolate and men are just two different sides of the same medal …

"Man cannot live by chocolate alone - but woman can." (Unknown)