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guasare
January 4, 2005
11:03 am
alex_h
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are there any chocolates out there that use guasare beans? the only one i know of is domori's hacienda san jose, but that isn't going to be on the market until next year presumably.

January 4, 2005
12:37 pm
Polarbear
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I have never heard of Guasare before? Any more info on what it is? A subvariety of criollo, like carenero and porcelana is?

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January 4, 2005
12:44 pm
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guasare is a fine criollo, similar to porcelana apparently but with a more complex taste.
you see, polar, i finally got around to reading maricel presilla's book :-)
(and i still have questions ;-)

January 4, 2005
6:41 pm
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I'm not sure if pure Guasare chocolate exists yet, but Domori should be producing some bars later.

January 8, 2005
7:01 pm
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does anyone know any more sub-varieties? I hear there are many, but perhaps not many yet used in chocolate.
Criollo:
-porecelana
-guasare
-?

thanks

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Oh no! My Agustus!
January 12, 2005
2:48 pm
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have a look at maricel presilla's book. i have lent it to a friend so i can only recall a few from memory. these are:
ocumare, rio caribe, carenero superior, sur del lago clasificado, arriba, esmeralda and nacional.
your question is a good one. a definitive list would really be nice. the names can be a bit confusing: is puerto cabello a bean? often the beans are named after valleys, ports or parts of a country.
i've heard of caracas, maracaibo and some others. for instance, sur del lago clasificado got its name because it grows south of lake maracaibo if i recollect correctly.

i just found these additional names on el rey's site:
chuao, guanaja, choroni, merida, and irapa

January 12, 2005
4:54 pm
Masur
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Read more about the genetic diversity of Criollo cacao and its consequence in quality breeding:
[url]http://www.cacao.sian.info.ve/memorias/html/03.html[/url]

"Porcelana: The Holy Grail of Pure Criollos" (Marieel E. Presilla)

"Porcelana: The Holy Grail of Pure Criollos" (Maricel E. Presilla)
January 24, 2005
2:33 pm
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i got the following from a german wine seller's site. sounds interesting. are the facts straight?

cocoa types:

criollo: subtypes: sur del lago clasificado, ocumare 61, porcelana and canoabo
trinitario: subtypes: rio caribe and carenero
hybrids (criollo with trinitario): subtypes: ocumare 67, chuao, rio caribe superior and carenero superior

as far as i know domori says his puertofino (ocumare 67) is criollo...

January 24, 2005
11:15 pm
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There are many more than this - thousands. Also there is no genetically pure criollo left, so they are all either hybrids or forestero. I've seen Ocumare 67 classified as a Criollo, and I know the Domori plants have a high genetic content of Criollo.

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April 20, 2009
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just came across the first guasare chocolate i've seen: http://www.idilio.ch/10-0-guas.....-puro.html
have tried their carenero, ocumare and porcelana. dark roasters from switzerland. anyone know more about idilio?

April 20, 2009
5:09 pm
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Where did you buy their products? I’ve never heard about them or seen their products anywhere. Amazing…

April 20, 2009
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Masur
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According to this article in German Idilio's chocolate is manufactured by Felchlin:
[url]http://kaffischopp.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/idilio-origins-swiss-premium-schoggi/[/url]

"Porcelana: The Holy Grail of Pure Criollos" (Maricel E. Presilla)

"Porcelana: The Holy Grail of Pure Criollos" (Maricel E. Presilla)
April 21, 2009
12:50 pm
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aha! thank you, masur! very interesting, because it doesn't taste like felchlin.
mario, i bought the bars at in't veld in berlin. unfortunately, they didn't have the guasare. but i can definitely recommend the porcelana and carenero.

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