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The Chocolate World Cup: Italy vs. France
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Ok, so I am curious about the opinions of the denizens of this group on which country makes the best chocolate. I put Italy and France in the header, but if people have a different answer, please say so.

I chose Italy and France because of the number of quality chocolatiers in those countries.

Italy - Domori, Amedei, Slitti, Cuba Venchi

France - Michel Cluizel, Valrhona, Pralus, Bonnat

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December 12, 2004 - 7:04 am
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Italy is the winner for me. The two great Italians (Domori and Amedei) beat the four good French.

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December 12, 2004 - 11:24 am
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um, are u serious?! but u r right> it all boils down to these two countries in the end. they seem to make the most chocolate and have the most expertise.

but i say no contest: italia hands down!

france is good in making mass produced chocolate that actually tastes good. i really like what valrhona does and that they got the ball rolling on quality. but they can't touch amedei, much less domori.

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That's a tough one, but considering my favorite brand is Domori and the fact that I've been eating gianduja since childhood, I'd probably lean toward the Italians as well. What I noticed about the list is that, on average, the Italian chocolatiers mentioned all are darker roasters, whereas the French are lighter (with the exception of Pralus, of course). Coincidence? Or do we all just prefer the flavors that darker roasts bring out?

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December 13, 2004 - 8:46 am
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is domori a dark roaster?

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I have only tried Valrhona, Clizel and Amedei of these, so I cant say for sure shich country is best. Personally I prefer the frenchies over Amedei.

I suggest Switzerland as the third, runner-up. No, I am not talking about Lindt, but Pronatec and Klaus.

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i prefer valrhona to amedei too. hope lone will still talk to me πŸ˜‰

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Domori's probably around the middle, as well as Cluizel; not that dark but darker than Valrhona but not nearly as dark as Pralus.

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Prefer whatever you prefer, alex πŸ˜‰ The 'thing' I have with Valrhona is the not necessarily deserved monopoly they have, esp in my country. People tend to believe that Valrhona is the ONLY chocolate of high quality - which is false. But for the world championship, I do like all the four french whereas I am not that fond of Slitti and haven't really learnt to like Cuba Venchi. But I simply can't live without Domori's high percentage bars and Amedei's Chuao and Porcelana (well, I could try of course ...). Taste is the decisive factor for me. As for Valrhona I am not really happy about the fact that they're using Callebaut's cocoa butter (and powder?). I like the pure stuff. However, if I was to choose the whole sortiment from these brands, I would actually choose Valrhona over Domori. Domori has this annoying rotten banana flavor in so many bars, makes it difficult to separate them. I prefer fewer bars of higher quality. And as I buy Amedei in bulk format, Amedei wins over Valrhona in terms of expense too.

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December 14, 2004 - 7:31 pm
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France still is the number one dark chocolate country in the world with a lot of chocolatiers working on the highest level. More than any other country.

  • Talking about bars it's close between Italy and France. Either could be choosen.
  • Talking about couverture France is number one and Italy probably number two.
  • Talking about truffles France is number one. Italy is only top four beaten by both Belgium and Swizerland.

So if you want to keep this discussion alive let's stick to bars.

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