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Martin Christy
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November 13, 2004 - 8:43 pm
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Ok, this will be contentious and probably cause trouble, but it would be great to get together a definitive list of who in the world is actually making chocolate (finished, conched, tempered, solid chocolate in the European style, from beans).

Chocolatero made a start in another post, and if we could all contribute what we know for sure maybe we can come up with a good list. Please no name calling or negative posts. If we can get a list of who we can prove makes chocolate then it will be up to other 'makers' not on the list to provide their own proof - it will be a 'not named' and shamed policy!

Maybe we need two lists, one for fine chocolate makers and one for industrials. Also no harm in sharing if you know tha 'a' is actually made by 'b'. (Like the Seventypercent bar is made by Domori - so count me off the list already!)

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Well, I know Pierre Marcolini makes his own chocolate, from beans he sourses himself, grown on plantations he has visited, because he told me! He gave a very interesting talk about chocolate, its origins, history and the chocolate making process during London Chocolate Week, last month. With tastings, natch, including raw beans, which was a first for me.
He pays maybe 8 or 10 times more for his beans, as he buys only the very best, and in comparatively small quantities, than the big boys do for the mass market. This makes the end product expensive, but well worth it (imo).

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November 15, 2004 - 3:46 pm
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hmmm, well nothing new in saying domori and amedei, eh?
as far as i know rausch in germany does it all themselves as well. but that is more on an industrial level and the result, though not the greatest, is one of the two best german chocolates imo.

bonnat comes to mind.

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November 15, 2004 - 4:21 pm
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Alex, what about Leysieffers or something that I have seen somewhere on the internett? Do you know if they make their own chocolate? I have seen they have vintage bars. Are they good?

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November 15, 2004 - 5:46 pm
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Maybe we should recall Chocolateros list:

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Here are the people I know make from beans (they are VERY few)
Domori, Amedei, Valrhona, Cluizel, Marcolini, Pralus, Schaffenberger, Weiss, Bernachon, Chocovic, Chocolaterie de l'opera, El rey, Felchin
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November 15, 2004 - 8:43 pm
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I think we can add the big C and Cacao Barry to that list. And Bonnat..?

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November 15, 2004 - 11:06 pm
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lego, i don't know whether leysieffer makes the chocolate directly from the bean, but i get the impression. i have tried their cuba and madagaskar bars. both are ok, but it has been a while so i should try them again. in fact i was thinking of sending martin some for a review...

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November 15, 2004 - 11:33 pm
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Leysieffer's Cuba (from a description by LoneLy) sounds a lot like Callebaut's ...

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November 16, 2004 - 9:33 am
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ok. haven't done any research on leysieffer though i wanted to call them up once. will have to, because i think their website doesn't offer too much info.

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November 16, 2004 - 7:29 pm
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Found this information on another website:

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Bittersweet couverture from one of France's three remaining bean-to-bar chocolate makers. Francois Pralus is a true chocolate aficionado


Michel Cluizel, Pralus and Valrhona makes three. Whatabout Weiss, Chocolaterie de l'opera, Bernachon and Bonnat?
Read more: [url]http://chefshop.site.yahoo.net/chefshop/prjadacoch7.html[/url]

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November 16, 2004 - 10:21 pm
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Does anyone know anything about this Chocolaterie de l`opera? I have never heard of them.

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November 16, 2004 - 11:04 pm
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The family behind Chocolaterie De L'Opera owned Valrhona until 15 years ago. Gerald Coleman told us at the L'artisan du Chocolat Factory Tour during Chocolate Week.

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November 17, 2004 - 2:28 pm
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And we can add Grenada Chocolate Company, and probably Hawaiian Vintage Chocolate.

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November 17, 2004 - 4:55 pm
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Chocolates-Hosta Dulcinea is a German - Spanish partnership that seems to go from bean to bar. I don't know if they produce real chocolate
[url]http://www.hostadulcinea.com/[/url]

Ludwig Weinrich seems to go from bean to bar. [url]http://www.weinrich-schokolade.de/[/url] They also produce chocolate for other companies like Divine Chocolate (UK Fair Trade Chocolate). I've tried organic Fair Trade chocolate from Gepa manufactured by Weinrich. I can recommend Fairena Bio Noir Orange, 70% cacao with orangefalvour.

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December 14, 2004 - 8:25 pm
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Two new bean to bar companies.
Haigh's Chocolates is an Australian Company:
[url]http://www.haighschocolates.com/[/url] ICAM is an Italian company and a key supplier to Green & Blacks. 30% of the production is organic.
ICAM reacently launched a new line of high-cocoa content, single-origin chocolates under the Extremo brand. The two varieties, Los Palmaritos and Los Vasquez, denote cocoa beans from two distinct Piantagione regions in the Dominican Republic and deliver distinct chocolate notes for the true aficionado of theobroma.
[url]http://www.icamcioccolato.it/[/url] The Italian version of the website contains more information than the one in English.

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el rey and santander? i checked their sites but couldn't get any specifics.
btw, does el rey only use carenero superior? i saw somewhere that they make a rio caribe bar as well.

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January 5, 2005 - 5:24 pm
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Not sure about the Rio Caribe, but they make a San Joaquin private reserve chocolate using Ocumare. I haven't seen it for a while now, so I don't know if they still make it.

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January 7, 2005 - 8:49 am
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El Rey makes their own chocolate. This is the list so far:

Amedei (Italy)
Bernachon (France)
Bonnat (France)
Callebaut (Belgium)
Chocolaterie de L'Opera (France)
Chocovi (Spain)
Domori (Italy)
El Rey (Venezuela)
Felchlin (Swizerland)
Grenada Chocolate Company (Grenada)
Guittard (USA)
Haigh's Chocolates (Australia)
ICAM (Italy)
Ludwig Weinrich (Germany)
Michel Cluizel (France)
Pierre Marcolini (Belgium)
Pralus (France)
Sharffen Berger (USA)
Valrhona (France)
Weiss (France)

Santander and a few other companies I've heard of might also be making their own chocolate:
Chocolates-Hosta Dulcinea (mentioned earlier) and Corne Toison d'Or, a Belgium family operated chain.
Corne Toison d'Or seems to be one of the few retailers that still manufactures its own chocolate instead of bying from Callebaut etc. I know they have a shop i Brussels but have not been there yet. They are not on my list until this information is confirmed.

The rest of the companies not yet included in the list:
ADM [url]http://www.admworld.com/[/url] Belcolade [url]http://www.belcolade.com/[/url] OCG [url]http://www.ocgcacao.com/[/url] Omanhene [url]http://www.omanhene.com/[/url]

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January 10, 2005 - 12:14 am
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As an FYI, OCG is owned by Cargill (include in this group Wilbur Chocolate). Kerry owns Claussen. Blommer also mfrs chocolate, as does Petra. Lindt owns Ghiradelli.

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January 11, 2005 - 7:23 pm
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What is it exactly to make one's own chocolate? I mean, if a company use cocoa butter from someone else (the big C - as legodude named him) is it then their own chocolate?

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