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Ilana
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December 22, 2006 - 9:36 am
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hello. I would like to know your views on: if extra cocoa butter added to chocolate does it change the taste? Does cocoa butter have a noticeable taste in your opinion? What does it do to the taste of white chocolate? Not texture- taste! DOes adding upto 15% create less quality in taste?
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Well I have two points I thought of when you said that...

1)When adding cocoa butter you are going to lower the bitterness OR sweetness of a chocolate...because fat is neither...so you can have a 70% chocolate bar that has a very mild bitterness if it has a lot of cocoa butter added.

2)There is Deodorized cocoa butter and natural non deodorized cocoa butter. So some taste and smell can stay with the cocoa butter if not deordorized and that can play a role in a chocolates taste or smell. Especially in white chocolate...and probably less in dark...

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December 22, 2006 - 8:56 pm
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Okay, thanks. So now I have to see where to get non deodorized cocoa butter. At least, I think I do. Why is there deodorized cocoa butter?
Isn't the aroma supposed to be nice?
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December 22, 2006 - 11:59 pm
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Has been discussed before [url="http://www.seventypercent.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=337&SearchTerms=deodorized,cocoa,butter/"]this forum topic[/url].

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December 23, 2006 - 12:30 am
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Most companies tht manufacture white chocolate like a uniform taste so they stick with Deodorized so it doesn't add any flavor to the flavor they are trying to create....if you want to buy either kind you can buy it at...

http://www.chocolatealchemy.com

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Cocoa butter most certainly plays a part in overall flavor of a chocolate. Case in point: El Rey's two bars, Apamate (73.5%) and Gran Saman (70%), the latter of which is much stronger and more assertive despite the misleading percentages. Read the reviews here for a descriptive comparison because a few of your questions may be answered there. Also, Bonnat is known for excess cocoa butter and I detect a slight fresh pasta flavor in all their bars. Is this cocoa butter? Who knows, but it's certainly there, most notably at the beginning of the length.

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December 23, 2006 - 8:16 pm
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This gets confusing! White choc, I mean. The difference between cheap white choc and the good stuff is cocoa butter vs vegetable oils, right? And yet, if the cocoa butter is deodorized, then it is used for its texture or mouthfeel only? Then what we TASTE in the white choc is only milk and vanilla? Sorry if I sound a bit ignorant... I would rather have tasty inconsistency than bland consistency.

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December 23, 2006 - 10:24 pm
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The Deoorderized Cocoa butter is used for its melting properties but WILL NOT add to aroma and taste of the white chocolate. The texture isn't effected between deordorized cocoa butter and natural cocoa butter. Only aroma and taste.
Then there is white chocolate and white compound or coating...white chocolate has cocoa butter while compounds/coatings have vegetable fats(cheaper and they set at a certain temperature so no tempering is needed).

If you want go try some great white chocolate you MUST try El Rey's White Chocolate. El Rey is a company in Venezuela. Their white chocolate is the best in the World in my opinion and in many other professionals opinion...
If you are in the USA you can go to http://www.chocolateguild.com and click on the big link on the left that says "buy chocolate at...".

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December 24, 2006 - 5:22 am
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Well I will be in the states in April so I will order it for then! Thanks1
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Ilana, you could find El Ray in Fresh & Wild in London, big chunks, just wrapped in cling film. White as well.
Very Merry Christmas to everyone! [:X][:X]

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December 24, 2006 - 5:53 pm
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Thanks!! I wish it were so easy though! I don't live in England, but it sounds pretty cool to think of myself living there!! I live in a well, less calm area of the world...

This forum is very kind and nice! Thanks!

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For some reason I thought you were in Israel? I'd love to bring my family there, as every time I've been there it's been a fantastic experience - although i do have some memories that were somewhat less than family friendly, and wouldn't want them to experience (most of them involve land-mines, bullets, and knives..) While I can't direct you to any local places that might carry a variety for you to look at, mail order is always a possibility.

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Sebastian! Hit the nail on the head!! Wow! You were here?! Where did you visit? I am in Qasam territory -don't ask... I think it will be better to wait until April for my delicious white chocolate. I wonder what the import food/choc laws are. I am sick of paying customs, shipping and taxes. My tempering machine doubled its price due to these annoyances.
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December 24, 2006 - 8:58 pm
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Well when you come to the states then you will have to EAT EAT EAT UP...haha...I have had a few people from Israel come on my site...have you been one of them? Just wondering...It is always fun to meet others from all over the world....how did you get into liking fine chocolate?

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Yes I was "in" your site a lot!! I wrote to you, also about that chocolate week in Belize. I love your site! We have a choc forum here and I pass on the info. We are all "hungry" for choc info! Some of us also belong to 70%. I am a grad of ecolechoc. I would love to do an internship somewhere... somehow... You are most welcome to visit us here and give demos/lectures etc.

I am trying to start up a small business. Chocolate is quickly becoming the latest here. We have only Callebaut, Valrhona and Fruibel. So I will eat and buy like mad in the U.S.
Yes, it is lots of fun chatting with the world's residents!

Europe and the states: You guys have it made!
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I've been pretty much all over - one of the funny stories from the first time i was there - it was just after the first gulf war. One of the places i was in was eilat - at some point, i managed to get into a discussion with what was effectively the mayor of eilot - apparently, every year he holds a contest that has a prize going to the individual or organization who increases tourism to his town the most (eilot is a port town on the red sea, it's economy is tourism based). During the first gulf war, it was also the only place that the scuds couldn't reach, so people flocked there. After the war was over, he sent a plaque to Saddam Hussein to award him as the individual who won that years contest 😎

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December 25, 2006 - 1:49 am
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Ohhhhhhhh....now I know who you are....for some reason I didn't put two and two together...haha

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December 25, 2006 - 11:47 am
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Cute story!! I guess this year Nassrallah will get the plaque for bringing flocks of tourist to Eilat! We should be selling chocolates there!

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Hi Ilana - I've also spent a bit of time in Israel (in Eilat too) as my brother-in-law is Israeli. You mentioned that chocolate is becoming bigger in the country - isn't Max Brenner an Israeli company? Max Brenner is quite a well known chocolate coy. here in Australia. Are their chocolates made locally in Israel?

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yeah he is Israeli. He was bought by Elite chocolates here, which is a big chocolate company, kinda like an Israeli version of Cadbury. Since then it is mass produced and tastes appropriate to that. He has quite a few extremely popular cafes here with all sorts of chocolate and related items, a whole menu...,and the general public thinks highly of his places. His packaging and cups and stuff are also considered a break through... In this country when something is in, it is in big time and everyone has now equated fine chocolate with Max Brenner.
Where does your brother live?
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