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domori hacienda san jose
September 9, 2004
3:22 pm
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does anyone know how much these crates cost and whether they are commercially available yet?!

domori’s site is a bit cryptic and they’ve only got a dinky photo.
are there only three different varieties (ocumare 61, 67 and canoabo)?

need to get my hands on some of this!

martin and lone, i know u know something ;-)

help!

<<ce qui fait du bien au palais ne fait du mal à l’âme>>

September 9, 2004
3:38 pm
Lone Ly
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I know nuthin’ … :-)

Craving for them myself. I will never ever eat any other 100% again…

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September 9, 2004
3:42 pm
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oh, stop it! :-P

u say this 100% is better than puro? ohmigod!
and how does the 80% compare to puertofino and puertomar?
is there really salt in it?! and fructose?

September 9, 2004
9:32 pm
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I know only the two Ocumare’s – 61 and 67, ie 100 and 80%. And no, no salt or fructose in neither of them as far as I know! Didn’t mean to say that – hope I didn’t. The 100% was not like a 100% at all, more like a Puertomar but stronger of course – I’d imagine 85% – yet stil a very pure taste. The typical Puertomar/Domori flavor was very distinct – I always think banana/mocca/cream/cherries/nuts. I prefered the 100% to the 80%. The 80% reminded me less of Puertofino than the 100% reminded me of Puertomar. It was also less waxy. But of course, they were both great, simply great. Incredibly smooth.

Am I mean now?! ;-)

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September 10, 2004
9:32 am
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you are pure evil for making my mouth water ;-)

i read on domori’s web site that the san jose 80%s have salt flower and fructose added. i figure salt flower is more or less just salt and fructose might go unnoticed being sugar. hmmm…

September 10, 2004
4:05 pm
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Aha, I see. I didn’t see the package or anything so I didn’t know. Maybe Martin told me, but I seem to have the memory of a goldfish at times. Salt flower, that is fleur de sel, right? My french is generally bad, but at times my English seems to be bad too … It is quite a different kind of salt in my opinion, compared to sea salt for example. I use fructose quite frequently (esp. in hot choc), mostly because less is required. It is not exactly like sugar, but it is not easy to notice the difference, no. Maybe the combination of fructose and salt makes it more sugar like than fructose only.

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September 11, 2004
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Salt flower might be a rough (and very literal) translation of fleur de sel. Fleur de sel is a certain type of salt harvested off the coast of Brittany in France and is approximately $40/lb. Thus, its use is usually limited to where its flavor can be easily detectable because of its distinctive and delicate taste.

I saw the same pic and info on Domori’s site. The way I read it was that the 80% has salt and the 100% is, of course, pure chocolate. The site says:
“80% with salt flower and fructose to accentuate some of the aromatic traits. Since 1870, Hacienda San José has been making chocolate with salt.”

So perhaps, this San Jose box is a collection of different chocolates from the same place. I know that Puertofino, Puertomar, and Carupano are all from Hacienda San Jose, so maybe the 80% is another addition to the group.

September 11, 2004
6:29 pm
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Yes, I think you are right – Gianluca told me it is from the coast of Britanny. We will have the crates in our next order – if we can get them. I think production is low for now.

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September 12, 2004
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Did he mention anything else about the San Jose box contents? I looked at the bar boxes as carefully as I could in the picture, and the writing seemed to be different on each one, or at least on two quadrants. Is this mysterious 100% a new bar, or simply the one already offered in 75g format?

Domori also has an organic line which isn’t listed on the site. I don’t know what kind of bars they’re offering, but I think there’s another 100% in there.

September 12, 2004
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The 100% bar from San Jose is Ocumare 61 and not the one already available in 75 g. It seems to be available in these boxes only. I have not seen the box or the wrapping though. On the organic stuff I don’t know, but I think it is great that Domori makes various 100%s.

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September 13, 2004
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damn hard to find. monte, i copied the pic from the website and opened it in paint shop pro. that way it comes out in its original size and you can decently read the labels.
each crate contains 60%, 70%, 80% and 100%. the 60 has cocoa nibs and the 80 is with fleur de sel and fructose. looks like the bars are of the same size as puertomar, etc. but the boxes the bars come in look like they hold about 4 times 25g.
apparently the crate also contains a brochure and a DVD.
if you go through the date line on the page of domori’s site you can see the crates already available: ocumare 61 and 67 and canoabo (if that’s the spelling). other crates will apparently follow in the next years. that’s the way i read the page. each crate dedicated to one sub-clone or bean or whatever. and that in four different forms…
i hope i ever get my hands on one.

September 13, 2004
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and no, i don’t think the 75g 100% is the same as the stuff in the crates. i think the 75g is a blend. the others are single origin (is that using the right terminology?)

September 13, 2004
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Okay, I see. I guess single origin is the right term. Single plantation would probably be more accurate since they all come from Hacienda San Jose. I wonder how many bars each crate holds and how much they cost. Probably quite a bit. I don’t know where exactly the 75g 100% comes from other than what the box says: a blend of two varieties from Venezuela.

September 13, 2004
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The Hacienda San Jose 100%s are much finer in taste than the 75g bar, which is – strong!

The crates have 25 25g bars, 5 each of each strength. You could call it single origin, single plantation and single bean. I think the cost will be around 80 Euros.

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September 13, 2004
6:06 pm
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Approx same price pr 100 g as Amedei Porcelana. Just a shame they won’t sell the 100% separately.

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September 14, 2004
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my thoughts exactly, lone ;-)

martin, any idea whether that is something domori might offer in the future?

September 14, 2004
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Maybe we should start a campaign, Alex? ;-)

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September 14, 2004
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They are thinking about selling them separate, but I think the production in the first few years is very low, so it will take awhile – I am asking though!

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September 14, 2004
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Worth waiting for! I just wish I had the patience ;-)

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September 15, 2004
2:12 am
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Me too, but at least they’ll have their organic line available soon. That will keep us satisfied until this box is released.